Closed captioning transcript for the Hillsborough County School Board Workshop from September 28th, 2017, 1:00 P.M.

>> HELLO. MY NAME IS SALLY HARRIS, AND I'M THE VICE-CHAIR OF THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD.

>> I'M CINDY STUART, THE BOARD CHAIR. ON BEHALF OF OUR COLLEAGUES ON THE BOARD, WE WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT AND WELCOME YOU TO HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

>> HERE IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, WE SERVE MORE THAN 200,000 STUDENTS IN PRE-K THROUGH 12th GRADE. THAT MAKES OUR DISTRICT ONE OF THE TEN LARGEST IN AMERICA. OUR TEAM IS MADE UP OF MORE THAN 25,000 DEDICATED PEOPLE WORKING AT MORE THAN 245 SITES. WE ARE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY'S LARGEST EMPLOYER.

>> THE BEST WAY TO SERVE OUR STUDENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY IS TO INVOLVE YOU, THE PUBLIC, IN WHAT WE DO. YOU ARE WELCOME TO E-MAIL OR MEET WITH ANY OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS AND FOLLOW OUR DISTRICT ON SOCIAL MEDIA. OUR BOARD MEETINGS ARE HELD HERE IN OUR BOARD AUDITORIUM EVERY OTHER TUESDAY, STARTING AT 3:00 PM. BOARD MEETINGS ARE STREAMED LIVE ON OUR WEBSITE, AND CARRIED LIVE ON CABLE -- SPECTRUM CHANNEL 635 AND FRONTIER FIOS CHANNEL 32.  

>>SALLY: OUR AGENDA AND ANY SUPPORTING MATERIALS CAN BE VIEWED ONLINE IN ADVANCE. THE';RE POSTED SEVEN DAYS BEFORE EACH MEETING ON OUR WEBSITE, SDHC.K12.FL.US. THANK YOU FOR BEING A PART OF OUR MEETING TODAY. WITH YOUR HELP, WE’RE MAKING DECISIONS THAT SHAPE OUR COMMUNITY'S FUTURE. WE AT HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS ARE --  

>>TOGETHER: -- PREPARING STUDENTS FOR LIFE! [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]  

>>Cindy Stuart: GOOD AFTERNOON, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME YOU TO OUR AFTERNOON WORKSHOP. WE ARE TODAY GOING TO DISCUSS THE LEGAL OVERVIEW OF HOUSE BILL 7069 FROM THE 2017 LEGISLATIVE SESSION, AND I'M GOING TO TURN THIS OVER TO OUR BOARD ATTORNEY, MR. PORTER, WHO WILL SET SOME OF THE GROUND RULES AND BRING US INFORMATION BEFORE WE GET STARTED.  

>>Jim Porter: THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR AND BOARD MEMBERS. I WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING FROM THE LITIGATION STANDPOINT WITH HOUSE BILL 7069. IS YOU MIGHT BE AWARE, SEVERAL DISTRICTS THROUGHOUT THE STATE HAVE BANDED TOGETHER TO CHALLENGE THE -- OR INTENDING TO CHALLENGE THE HOUSE BILL THROUGH THE COURT SYSTEM. WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS WALK THROUGH WITH YOU THE AREAS OF CONCERN THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED, GIVE YOU A LIST OF THE DISTRICTS THAT HAVE CHOSEN TO PARTICIPATE IN THE LAWSUIT, TALK ABOUT APPROXIMATE COST, AND TALK ABOUT OPTIONS FOR THE BOARD. I'VE WORKED WITH MR. GIBSON AND MS. MILITO ON THIS, AND WE ARE ALL IN ACCORD, AS I GO FORWARD WITH THIS. I ALSO HAVE AT THE END OF MY PRESENTATION, MS. SNIVELY AND MS. VALDES COULD NOT BE HERE TODAY BUT THEY ASKED ME TO READ INTO THE RECORD THEIR POSITION, WHICH I'LL DO AT THE END OF THIS. BOARD MEMBERS, WE IDENTIFIED SEVEN AREAS OF POTENTIAL CONCERN THAT COULD BE THE SUBJECT OF A LAWSUIT WITH HOUSE BILL 7069. ONE IS SORT OF THE TECHNICAL ONE, AND THERE ARE FIVE SUBSTANTIVE AREAS. I'D LIKE TO GO THROUGH THOSE WITH YOU. THE FIRST IS THE SINGLE SUBJECT RULE. UNDER THE CONSTITUTION, LEGISLATION NEEDS TO BE A SINGLE SUBJECT. THERE IS A STRONG ARGUMENT THAT THE WAY THE HOUSE BILL 7069 WAS ADOPTED AND PASSED IT WOULD VIOLATE THAT RULE. THERE COULD BE A POSSIBLE LEGAL ACTION AGAINST THAT. THE CURE WOULD BE IN THE NEXT SESSION TO BREAK IT UP INTO SEPARATE BILLS. THAT SEEMS TO BE A CLEAR VIOLATION. THE CURE WOULD BE FOR THE LEGISLATURE TO FIX IT BY BREAKING IT UP. THE FIVE SUBSTANTIVE AREAS, THOUGH, ARE OF CONCERN, AND ARE POTENTIAL VIOLATIONS OF THE FLORIDA CONSTITUTION. I WANT TO GO THROUGH THOSE WITH YOU, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AS WE GO ALONG. I RANKED THESE SORT OF IN THE ORDER FROM THE STRONGEST LEGAL ARGUMENTS WE HAVE TO THE WEAKEST, ALTHOUGH THESE ARE ALL VIABLE OPTIONS, IF THE BOARD WANTED TO PURSUE LITIGATION. THE FIRST ONE IS THE SCHOOLS OF HOPE PIECE THAT YOU HEARD ABOUT THIS MORNING. THERE IS A STRONG ARGUMENT THAT IT VIOLATES ARTICLE 9, SECTION 4B OF THE CONSTITUTION. THE SECOND IS THE SECTION THAT DEALS WITH LOCAL EDUCATIONAL AGENCIES OR LEAs. THERE'S AN ARGUMENT AGAIN UNDER ARTICLE IX THAT THE EFFECT OF THIS WOULD BE TO CREATE A PARALLEL SYSTEM TO OUR SYSTEM, WHICH IS A VIOLATION OF THE CONSTITUTION. THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO COMPETE WITH US FOR FEDERAL FUNDS. THE NEXT ONE IS ONE THAT MS. GRIFFIN ALLUDED TO EARLIER THIS MORNING, THE TITLE I PROVISION. UNDER THE LEGISLATION, WE WOULD HAVE OUR ABILITY AND OUR DISCRETION TO WHERE THE MONEY GOES IN TITLE I SCHOOLS REMOVED AND STRICTLY LIMITED. THE NEXT PIECE IS THE STANDARD CONTRACT FOR CHARTER SCHOOLS. AGAIN IT REMOVES THE BOARD'S DISCRETION TO WORK OUT AND NEGOTIATE CONTRACTS. THE FINAL SUBSTANTIVE ISSUE IS THE MANDATORY SHARING OF THE 1.5 MILLAGE WITH CHARTER SCHOOLS. THOSE ARE THE SUBSTANTIVE AREAS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED AS POTENTIAL CHALLENGES AND POTENTIAL VIOLATIONS OF THE FLORIDA CONSTITUTION. THROUGHOUT THE DISTRICT, OTHER DISTRICTS HAVE LOOKED AT THESE ISSUES. EVERYONE IS PRETTY MUCH IN ACCORD IN GENERAL. THERE ARE SOME NUANCES WITH WHAT OTHER DISTRICTS HAVE DONE. AS OF YESTERDAY OR AS OF THIS MORNING, THERE ARE 14 DISTRICTS THAT HAVE CHOSEN TO JOIN THE POTENTIAL LAWSUIT. I'M GOING TO READ THOSE TO YOU. ALACHUA COUNTY, BAY COUNTY, BROWARD, WHO REALLY INITIATED THIS AT THE BEGINNING, CLAY COUNTY, DUVAL, HAMILTON, LEE, MIAMI-DADE, ORLANDO -- EXCUSE ME, ORANGE COUNTY, PINELLAS, POLK, ST. LUCIE, VOLUSIA AND WAKULLA. YESTERDAY, THE PALM BEACH SCHOOL DISTRICT VOTED TO PURSUE LITIGATION BUT TO DO SO ON THEIR OWN. THEY ARE NOT JOINING THE LAWSUIT WITH THE OTHER DISTRICTS. THEY'VE ALLOCATED $150,000 FROM THE SETTLEMENT THEY RECEIVED FROM BP TO FUND THAT LAWSUIT. MANATEE COUNTY HAS VOTED NOT TO DO IT. SARASOTA COUNTY HAS VOTED NOT TO JOIN IT AS WELL. WITH THE CURRENT SET OF DISTRICTS OR THE CURRENT NUMBER OF DISTRICTS THAT HAVE AGREED TO JOIN THE LAWSUIT, THE EXPECTATION FINANCIALLY FROM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD SHARE IN 12.787% OF THE TOTAL COST OF THE LITIGATION. MOST DISTRICTS HAVE INITIALLY ALLOCATED $25,000, AND THIS WOULD BE THE AMOUNT BASED ON THE NUMBER OF DISTRICTS AND THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS WE HAVE THAT HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY WOULD BE EXPECTED TO PAY. WE HAVE ANALYZED A POTENTIAL COST OVERALL FOR THE LITIGATION. WE ANTICIPATE THAT THIS WOULD ULTIMATELY BE DECIDED BY THE SUPREME COURT. THERE WOULD BE -- FLORIDA SUPREME COURT. THERE WOULD BE A SERIES OF APPEALS DEPENDING ON HOW AGGRESSIVE THE STATE WISHED TO DEFEND THIS LAWSUIT AND HOW AGGRESSIVE THE PLAINTIFFS WISH TO PURSUE IT, THE COST COULD BE UPWARDS OF 500 TO 600 THOUSAND DOLLARS OVERALL. SO THAT'S AN ESTIMATE AND THERE'S NO WAY TO KNOW WHETHER THAT WOULD BE SLIGHTLY LESS OR MORE BASED ON HOW THE LITIGATION PURSUED. BUT OUR SHARE OF THAT AGAIN, UNLESS OTHER DISTRICTS JOINED AT THIS POINT, WOULD BE 12.787%. THE BOARD REALLY HAS SEVERAL OPTIONS. YOU CAN JOIN THE LAWSUIT AS HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND EXPECT TO PAY THAT AMOUNT. YOU COULD DO YOUR OWN LAWSUIT, AS PALM BEACH HAS DONE, BUT THAT OBVIOUSLY WOULD BE MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE. THE BENEFIT TO THAT WOULD BE YOU WOULD HAVE MORE CONTROL OVER THE LITIGATION. YOU COULD NOT JOIN THE LAWSUIT AND WORK WITH YOUR LEGISLATIVE DELEGATION ON TRYING TO GET THE LAW CHANGED. THOSE ARE SORT OF YOUR OPTIONS. A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS THAT YOU NEED TO BE AWARE OF, THE SUIT HAS NOT YET BEEN FILED. I'VE BEEN ADVISED BY THE BROWARD COUNTY ATTORNEY THAT THEY ANTICIPATE FILING IT WITHIN THE NEXT, QUOTE, COUPLE OF WEEKS. THAT WOULD TAKE US INTO OCTOBER. YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION WILL BE ABOUT TO BEGIN I THINK IN DECEMBER -- JANUARY. IT WOULD BE COMING UP SHORTLY AFTER THAT. THE SUIT WILL BE FILED IN LEON COUNTY AND THE LIKELY DEFENDANT WOULD BE THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION AND THE STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION. THAT'S SORT OF THE BACKGROUND OF WHERE WE ARE, A SNAPSHOT. THIS IS A FLUID SITUATION. MR. GIBSON AND I ARE PART OF FLORIDA SCHOOL BOARD ATTORNEY ASSOCIATION, SO WE'RE KEPT ABREAST OF THE DEVELOPMENTS OF THE LITIGATION AS IT PROGRESSES, BUT, AGAIN, NO SUIT HAS BEEN FILED. I CAN ADVISE YOU THAT BOTH MS. SNIVELY AND MS. VALDES, BECAUSE THIS WORKSHOP WAS RESCHEDULED, HAVE PRIOR COMMITMENTS. MS. VALDES WOULD LIKE ME TO STATE ON THE RECORD THAT SHE IS NOT IN FAVOR OF A LAWSUIT AT THIS TIME. SHELVES THE BETTER APPROACH WOULD BE TO MEET FACE TO FACE WITH OUR LEGISLATORS, AND IF I COULD, MADAM CHAIR, READ MS. SNIVELY. SHE ASKED ME TO READ THIS INTO THE RECORD, IF I COULD DO THAT AT THIS POINT AND THEN THE BOARD COULD HAVE A DISCUSSION. MS. SNIVELY IS UNABLE TO ATTEND THE WORKSHOP BECAUSE OF SELECTION TO LEADERSHIP FLORIDA IN EDUCATION, BUT SHE WOULD LIKE THIS TO BE READ INTO THE RECORD. ALTHOUGH PARTS OF THIS LEGISLATION WILL BE VERY CHALLENGING TO OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT, AT THIS TIME, I DO NOT BELIEVE IT WOULD BE PRUDENT FOR OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT TO PARTICIPATE IN A LAWSUIT INITIATIVE, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING OUR CURRENT FINANCIAL POSITION. WE ELECT THE -- WE LACK THE AVAILABLE FUNDS THAT A DISTRICT OF OUR SIZE WOULD BE EXPECTED TO CONTRIBUTE TO THIS EFFORT AND IRVEGHTS SUPPORT BURDENING OUR ALREADY STRESSED FINANCIAL CLIMATE. IN MY OPINION, OUR GOAL AS A SCHOOL BOARD SHOULD BE CONTINUING TO DEVELOPING AND CULTIVATING RELATIONSHIPS WITH OUR LEGISLATIVE DELEGATION AND THOSE IN THE EDUCATIONAL LEADERSHIP POSITIONS. WE NEED TO ARM LEGISLATORS AND LEGISLATIVE STAFF WITH INFORMATION AND ASSIST THEM IN UNDERSTANDING HOW THIS LEGISLATION DIRECTLY AFFECTS OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT AS WELL AS SCHOOL DISTRICTS ACROSS THE STATE. MY POSITION WILL BE TO STUDY THE LEGISLATION AND TO DO OUR BEST TO FIND SOLUTIONS TO SOME OF THE CHALLENGES WHICH IMPACT OUR SCHOOLS. ADDITIONALLY, WE NEED TO CONTINUE HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR LEGISLATIVE REPRESENTATIVES AND DISCUSS THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THE BILL. MY DESIRE WOULD BE TO CONTINUE WORKING COLLABORATIVELY ON LEGISLATION THAT WILL BENEFIT OUR STUDENTS.  

>>Cindy Stuart: THANK YOU, MR. PORTER. SO, BOARD MEMBERS, THIS IS OUR OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE AN OPEN PUBLIC CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT YOUR FEELINGS, OPINIONS, RESEARCH HAS BROUGHT YOU TO PERCEIVE AS WHERE YOU WANT US TO MOVE. THERE IS NO VOTE TODAY. WE WILL ONLY BE HAVING A CONVERSATION, AND THEN AT THE END OF THE WORKSHOP, WE WILL TALK ABOUT WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO ASK THE SUPERINTENDENT OR NOT TO DO SOMETHING. MS. GRAY, YOUR LIGHT IS LIT. I WILL ASSUME YOU WANT TO SPEAK FIRST ON THIS. BOARD MEMBERS, IF YOU WANT TO GET IN LINE IF YOU HAVE COMMENTS. THANK YOU.  

>>Lynn Gray: THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIRWOMAN. SOME YEARS AGO, FORMER SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE, TERRELL SESSUMS HAD FACED VERY SIMILAR SITUATIONS WITH REGARDS TO UNDERFUNDING THE FLORIDA SCHOOL SYSTEM. 44 SCHOOLS WENT TO A LAWSUIT IN THE 1980s. WALT SICKLES WOULD BE THE SUPERINTENDENT AT THAT TIME. THE DECISION WAS TO GO FOR THE LAWSUITS, AND THEY DID. IT WENT TO THE FLORIDA SUPREME COURT. WE WERE NOT ON THE WINNING SIDE. THE VOTE WAS 4-3. ONE WOULD THINK, WELL, WE LOST, BUT NOT REALLY. THE RESULT WAS THAT IN THAT PROCESS, IN THAT VERY DIFFICULT PROCESS FOR A FEW YEARS, AND MOST OF US KNOW THAT LAWSUITS DO TAKE A NUMBER OF YEARS, THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH DECIDED TO BEGIN FUNDING THOSE AREAS THAT WE FELT AT THAT TIME WERE ABUNDANTLY UNDERFUNDED. SO THIS IS NOT -- AT THIS POINT, IS NOT A PRECEDENT. IT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE BEFORE. THE REASON THAT I WILL SAY THAT I AM FOR THE LAWSUIT IS BASED ON THE FOLLOWING. AND THIS IS MY POSITION. I SAID EARLIER AND I WON'T GO THROUGH THE WHOLE THING THAT I FIND IT UNETHICAL, AND LET ME BE CLEAR. THE HOUSE SPEAKER CORCORAN HAS AND IS OR MAYBE BUILT ALREADY, A FOR-PROFIT CHARTER SCHOOL. AND HE HAS ACCEPTED DONATIONS FOR HIS CAMPAIGN IF HE SHALL RUN FROM FOR-PROFIT CHARTER SCHOOLS. I FIND THIS PERSONALLY INSULTING AND UNETHICAL. SECONDLY, ILLEGAL. I FIND THAT THE POINTS JIM MADE COULD BE SAID MUCH BETTER FROM HIM THAN MYSELF, BUT THERE ARE ABSOLUTE ILLEGALITIES OF THESE MEASURES AND TITLE ONE IS AN EXCELLENT EXAMPLE. AND I THINK WE NEED TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT WE HAVE A FUNCTI FUNCTIONING, LET'S SAY DEMOCRACY, DEMOCRATIC HOUSE SPEAKER AND BRANCH THAT ARE NOT FUNCTIONING IN AN ETHICALLY OR WAY OF JUSTICE, AND THAT'S IMPORTANT, VERY IMPORTANT MEASUREMENT THAT I THINK AS SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS WE TAKE HOME TO OUR CHILDREN. WE DEFINITELY WANT TO EMULATE THOSE CHARACTERISTICS. SECONDLY, MY FEELING IS SUBTRACTING PUBLIC EDUCATION. WE ALLUDED TO THAT, A FEW OF THE BOARD MEMBERS. BUT THE POINT IS, TAKING AWAY CHILDREN AND OUR EDUCATION IN AN EQUITABLE WAY, AND WE POINTED THAT OUT, IS NOTHING SHORT THAN A MORAL CRIME IN MY VIEW. WE HAVE SPENT OUR ENTIRE LIFE PUTTING TOGETHER WHAT I CALL AN EXCELLENT, EXEMPLARY FOR THIS DISTRICT STAFF AND PROGRAMS AND RESOURCES TO PROVIDE EVERY CHILD OF EVERY COLOR, EVERY CULTURE, EQUITABLE EDUCATION, AND WE ARE STILL WORKING ON THAT. WHEN WE START REMOVING PROGRAMS, THE QUALITY OF THE CLASSROOMS, SUCH AS AIR CONDITIONING, THE SAFETY OF THE SCHOOLS, SUCH AS ROOFS, WHEN WE START COMPROMISING THE ABSOLUTE MEASUREMENTS OF A GOOD EDUCA EDUCATION, THEN I HAVE TO QUESTION WHERE IS THE CONSCIOUSNESS OR THE RATIONALE. WHY ARE THEY DOING CERTAIN THINGS SUCH AS SCHOOLS OF HOPE. THERE HAS TO BE A RATIONALE AND I HAVE NOT HEARD IT, QUITE FRANKLY, AND I HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO MEMBERS OF THE SENATE AND HOUSE OF REPS. I BELIEVE THAT EVERY ONE OF US AS BOARD MEMBERS SERVE OUR CONSTITUENTS. I HAVE A QUARTER OF THE MILLION WHOLE DISTRICT. DIDN'T ALL VOTE FOR ME, BUT IT STILL STANDS TO REASON THAT I HAVE TO LISTEN. AND I LISTEN TO THE HYBRID, THE MIXTURE FROM EVERY PART OF THIS COUNTY AND I'VE TAUGHT IN MOST PARTS OF THE COUNTY. I WILL TELL YOU, I HAVE NOT GOTTEN ANY LETTERS, HARDLY AT ALL, EVEN WITH THE COURTESY BUSING, BUT THE LETTERS HAVE COME THROUGH, AND THE TWEETS AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT GO ON, THEY WANT ME TO OPPOSE OR TO GET ON BOARD WITH A LAWSUIT. AND I HAVE TO SAY THAT I WILL GO INTO THAT BECAUSE I WAS VOTED IN TO STAND FOR PUBLIC EDUCATION AND THE BETTERMENT OF OUR RESOURCES FOR OUR CHILDREN, AND I WILL STAND TO THAT EXPECTATION. I TAKE IT VERY SERIOUSLY. OUR SUPERINTENDENT EAKINS AND I HAD A DISCUSSION THAT WE DON'T WANT TO BURN BRIDGES. THIS WAS A WHILE AGO. I'M VERY MUCH INVOLVED WITH THAT TYPE OF PHILOSOPHY, BECAUSE YOU DON'T GET TO WHERE YOU ARE HERE, YOU DON'T GET TO BE VOTED IN AN OFFICE IF YOU BURNT A BUNCH OF BRIDGES. I THINK WE KNOW THAT. YOU GET TO OFFICE ON A GOOD REPUTATION, ON ETHICAL BEHAVIOR, AND ON TRUST. SO WHEN I SAY THAT WE NEED TO REMEMBER THAT OUR CONSTITUENTS COUNT, I TAKE IT VERY SERIOUSLY. BUT AT ANY RATE, WE DID HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. OVER THAT CONVERSATION, OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE THAT AND THOSE FOLKS THAT HAVE SPOKEN TO ME PERSONALLY AND ON THE E-MAILS, ET CETERA, HAVE AFFECTED MY DECISION. AND THAT IS MY POSITION, AND THOSE PARTICULAR SENTENCES ARE MY RATIONALE.  

>>Cindy Stuart: THANK YOU, MS. GRAY. MS. SHAMBURGER.  

>>Tamara Shamburger: THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I GUESS I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS REALLY MORE THAN ANYTHING. ARE THERE -- WELL, YES. ARE THERE ANY ALTERNATIVES TO REMEDY THE ISSUES WITH 7069 BASED ON THE LEGAL ARGUMENTS? IS A LAWSUIT THE ONLY REMEDY WE HAVE TO FIX IT?  

>>Jim Porter: I THINK THERE ARE TWO MAIN REMEDIES. THE LAWSUIT IS ONE WHERE YOU WOULD CHALLENGE THE LEGALITY THROUGH THE COURT SYSTEM. THE OTHER WOULD BE TO WORK WITH THE DELEGATION TO GET THE LAW CHANGED DURING THE NEXT SESSION. THOSE ARE THE TWO MAJOR OPTIONS OF HOW TO GET -- ANY TROUBLESOME LANGUAGE REMOVED.  

>>Tamara Shamburger: OKAY. SO THEN MY NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE PROS AND CONS. WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PROS WOULD BE BUT WHAT ARE REALLY CONS OF MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS LAWSUIT? I GUESS THE BASIS OF THE LAWSUIT REALLY AFFECTS ALL DISTRICTS, SO THEY ARE NOT VERY SPECIFIC. BUT IN READING ARTICLES, PREVIOUSLY WHEN 7069 WAS FIRST PASSED, THERE WAS A LOT OF TALK ABOUT WHERE THE LEGISLATORS, WILL THEY RETALIATE AGAINST SCHOOL DISTRICTS WITH THE LAWSUIT, THINGS LIKE THAT. IS THERE ANY VALIDITY TO ANY OF THAT OR WHAT WOULD BE MAJOR CONS WITH US MOVING FORWARD WITH THE LAWSUIT?  

>>Jim Porter: FROM A STRICTLY LEGAL STANDPOINT, I THINK THE THINGS YOU WOULD HAVE TO WEIGH ARE THE COSTS, WHERE THE MONEY WOULD COME FROM. MS. SAUNDERS IS HERE AND I ASKED HER TO BE PREPARED TO ADDRESS THAT IF THE BOARD DECIDED TO GO FORWARD. OTHER DISTRICTS ARE USING MAYBE FUNDING SOURCES THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY ENJOY. PINELLAS COUNTY HAS A SPECIFIC PLAN FOR FUNDING THE LAWSUIT. PALM BEACH AGAIN IS USING MONEY FROM THE BP OIL SETTLEMENT. SO THAT'S A FACTOR YOU HAVE TO DECIDE WHERE THE MONEY WOULD COME FROM. YOU HAVE TO DECIDE HOW IT WOULD IMPACT YOUR ABILITY TO ACHIEVE OTHER THINGS THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE IF YOU WERE CHALLENGING THEM. THAT'S MORE OF A POLITICAL ISSUE THAN A LEGAL ISSUE. AND THEN I THINK THAT THE TIME IT WOULD TAKE TO RESOLVE THE LAWSUIT, AGAIN, ESTIMATE, PROBABLY TWO YEARS. BUT, AGAIN, IT'S HARD TO TELL HOW QUICKLY THE COURTS WOULD WANT TO TAKE THIS UP. THOSE ARE SORT OF THE ISSUES I THINK THE BOARD HAS TO WEIGH WHEN YOU DECIDE TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS. THE OTHER FACTOR AND THE SUPERINTENDENT CAN SPEAK TO THIS MORE, BUT ONE OF THE AREAS THAT WE FEEL IS POTENTIALLY MOST PROBLEM MAT TRICK A LEGAL STANDPOINT AND PROBABLY MOST CLEARLY VIOLATIVE OF THE CONSTITUTION IS THE PROVISION DEALING WITH SCHOOL OF HOPE, BUT WE ALSO STAND TO BENEFIT FROM THAT BECAUSE I THINK THERE ARE THREE SCHOOLS IN THE DISTRICT NOW THAT ARE GOING TO BE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT. SO THERE IS A BALANCING ACT BETWEEN TAKING OVER, ADDRESSING THE ENTIRE PIECE OF LEGISLATION, BENEFITING FROM IT. THE OTHER THING THAT REALLY IS AN IMPORTANT FACTOR, UNDERSTANDING WHAT HAPPENS IF THE LAWSUIT IS SUCCESSFUL AND THE LAW IS THROWN OUT. WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE FUNDING? WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE THE REST OF THE THINGS IN THE BILL? THOSE ARE SORT OF THE THINGS YOU HAVE TO WEIGH WHEN YOU MAKE A DECISION ABOUT WHETHER TO PURSUE THIS OR NOT.  

>>Tamara Shamburger: THANK YOU SO MUCH. I'LL LET OTHER BOARD MEMBERS COMMENT AND THEN I'LL COME BACK IN LATER.  

>>Cindy Stuart: THANK YOU, MS. SHAMBURGER. MS. HARRIS.  

>>Sally Harris: THANK YOU, MEMBER STUART. HOUSE BILL 7069 IS ABSOLUTELY A VIOLATION OF OUR CONSTITUTION. IT TIES FUNDS AND -- IT TIES FUNDS IN INEQUITABLE WAYS THAT BEST SERVE OUR STUDENTS. WITH THAT BEING SAID, I FEEL THAT WE AS A DISTRICT SHOULD NOT USE TAXPAYER FUNDS TO FUND A LAWSUIT, AND IN OUR DISTRICT -- AND I UNDERSTAND MS. GRETCHEN IS PREPARED TO MAKE -- MAYBE SAY SOMETHING -- BUT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE FUNDS. OTHER DISTRICTS HAVE MARKETING FUNDS FROM RIDING ON BUSES AND OTHER SOURCES OF INCOME THAT DO NOT COME FROM TAXPAYERS, BUT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY FUNDS SUCH AS THAT. DO WE --  

>> WE COULD UTILIZE INTEREST EARNINGS, BUT THEY ARE VERY MINIMAL.  

>>Sally Harris: NOT IN THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.  

>> NO. WE ALL KNOW INTEREST RATES AT THE BANKS. IT'S VERY MINIMAL. AND IT CANNOT BE STUDENT-GENERATED FUNDING. SO THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE OUR ONLY FUNDING SOURCE. THANK YOU.  

>>Sally Harris: THANK YOU. WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT THEY ARE SAYING 25,000 RIGHT NOW TO GET INTO THE LAWSUIT --  

>>Jim Porter: THAT'S THE INITIAL.  

>>Sally Harris: BUT I'VE HEARD THE RUMOR MILL COMING AROUND THE STATE AS MUCH AS POTENTIALLY A MILLION DOLLARS DEPENDING ON HOW LONG THIS IS DRAWN OUT AND HOW HIGH IT GOES IN COURT. PLUS, I ALSO HAVE TO SAY THAT A LAWSUIT OF THAT MAGNITUDE WOULD TAKE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM'S ENERGY AND TIME. AND OUR TIME IN THIS DISTRICT IS MONEY. SO WHEN WE'RE GIVING ENERGY TO SOMETHING OF THIS RESOURCE, IT IS ALSO COSTING US A DIFFERENT KIND OF INCOME AS WELL AS THE STRESS. I WORRY ABOUT THAT STRESS LEVEL. AND SO I REALLY FEEL THE BENEFIT WOULD BE STARTING TODAY, WE HAD A SPECTACULAR MORNING SESSION. WE REALLY HAD A GOOD, CLEAR PICTURE OF WHAT'S GOING ON, WHERE WE'RE HEADED, AND WE NOW HAVE DATA TO BACK IT AND POTENTIALLY WITH THE COLUMNS THAT WE'RE GOING TO ADD TO THAT DATA, WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO HAVE SOME NUMBERS IN MONEY. SO I THINK THAT WE SHOULD GO STARTING TODAY AND REALLY IMPACT VISITS TO OUR LEGISLATORS AND EDUCATE THEM IMMEDIATELY AND COLLECTIVELY DO IT AS A GROUP, DO IT SINGLY, BRING SOME PARENTS INTO US. GET THE PTA INVOLVED. I THINK WE WOULD DO MORE GOOD FOR THE DISTRICT AND FOR THE WHOLE STATE OF FLORIDA IF WE COULD DO IT ON A ONE ONE. WE'RE THREE MONTHS AWAY FROM LEGISLATION GETTING GEARED UP AGAIN, SESSION. SO JOINING A LAWSUIT TAKES THE ENERGY OVER HERE WHEN WE COULD REALLY BE FOCUSING ON BUILDING THAT UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THIS IS -- THIS HAS IMPACTED OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT. REALLY, BY THE TIME THEY GET BACK IN SESSION, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO HAVE MORE PEOPLE UNDERSTANDING THE IMPACT AND MAKE THE CHANGES QUICKLY FOR US SO THAT WE HAVE THAT. I WILL HAVE TO SAY THAT IRVEGHTS -- I CANNOT SUPPORT THE LAWSUIT AT THIS POINT IN TIME.  

>>Cindy Stuart: THANK YOU, MS. HARRIS. MS. GRAY.  

>>Lynn Gray: JUST A QUESTION. MS. SAUNDERS, IN TERMS OF THE FUNDING, OF COURSE, THIS QUESTION MUST HAVE COME UP WITH SUPERINTENDENT EAKINS AND YOURSELF, THERE IS, OF COURSE, A COST. CAN YOU EXPAND HOW IF WE DID SAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO THIS LAWSUIT, CAN YOU EXPAND ON HOW WE WOULD FUND THIS? OR IS IT JUST SAYING THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY, SO WHY EVEN BOTHER TO BRING THIS TOPIC UP?  

>>Jeffrey Eakins: WEIGH IN WHENEVER YOU WANT TO, GRETCHEN. I THINK PART OF IT IS, OBVIOUSLY, UTILIZING SOME SORT OF FUND THAT, RIGHT NOW WE SAY IS NOT FUNDS WE WOULD WANT TO IMPACT CLASSROOMS AND OUR EMPLOYEES AND OUR STUDENTS. SO I THINK THOSE ARE -- THAT'S THE PROBLEMATIC ISSUE, EVERY FUND WE GET, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH OUR STATE OR FEDERAL OR LOCAL FUNDS, COMES IN TO DO THAT VERY PURPOSE. AND WE ARE NOT AN ENTERPRISE THAT CREATES MONEY. SO THAT BECOMES THE ISSUE. WHAT MS. SAUNDERS HAD MENTIONED IS OBVIOUSLY WE DO HAVE SOME MONIES. PART OF OUR BUDGET IS CONTINUALLY INVESTING OUR DOLLARS AS WE WAIT FOR IT TO BE UTILIZED. WE SOMETIMES THEN PUT IT IN FOR INVESTMENT, AND I THINK THOSE WERE THE DOLLARS THAT MS. SAUNDERS WOULD SAY WOULD BE DOLLARS WE DON'T HAVE NOW BUT WOULD BE DOLLARS WE MAY OR MAY NOT BE EXPECTING BASED OFF THE INTEREST RATE. SO THAT WOULD BE THE POTENTIAL FUNDS THAT SHE'S IDENTIFIED THAT WE COULD UTILIZE THAT WE WOULD NOT HAVE RIGHT NOW TO UTILIZE IN OUR SCHOOLS.  

>>Lynn Gray: WELL, IT IS A VERY CRITICAL QUESTION, BECAUSE MY PIGGYBACK ON THIS IS WHY EVEN BRING THIS UP IF WE ARE NOT EVEN PREPARED TO REALIZE THAT IT WOULD COST MONEY? WHY WOULD WE EVEN COME TO A VOTE OR DISCUSS? SO I THINK THAT'S A HUGE CONSIDERATION, BUT LET ME GET TO THE SECOND QUESTION. WHO IS INVOLVED WITH THIS? WE TALK ABOUT AND MEMBER HARRIS, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE ENERGY TAKEN AWAY FROM FOLKS, BUT WHAT STAFF ARE DIRECTLY INVOLVED WITH PUTTING THIS LAWSUIT INTO FRUITION?  

>>Jim Porter: I THINK A LOT WOULD DEPEND ON HOW AGGRESSIVELY THE STATE CHOSE TO DEFEND THIS. THERE ARE DIFFERENT PATHS THE STATE COULD TAKE. THEY COULD MAKE STRICT LEGAL ARGUMENTS AND GO STRAIGHT TO COURT. THERE COULD BE A LOT OF DISCOVERY THAT WOULD INVOLVE A LOT OF DEPOSITIONS BY STAFF. BECAUSE IT IS A MASSIVE BILL, AND THAT WOULD REQUIRE EACH DISTRICT AND EACH PERSON WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR, SAY, TITLE I, TRACYE BROWN OR WHOEVER IS RESPONSIBLE TO SIT THROUGH A SERIES OF DEPOSITIONS. WE DON'T HAVE ANY WAY OF KNOWING HOW THE STATE WOULD RESPOND TO THIS FROM A LITIGATION STANDPOINT. WHAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING, THOUGH, IS THAT IF THEY WERE AGGRESSIVE, THAT IT WOULD BE -- THE COST WOULD BE HIGHER AND THAT THERE COULD BE STAFF TIME INVOLVED. SO THERE'S REALLY NO WAY OF KNOWING THAT UNTIL THE LAWSUIT IS FIRED AND THE STATE DECIDES TO RESPOND TO IT. SO THAT WOULD BE THE RISK, MS. GRAY, THAT STAFF TIME WOULD BE TAKEN UP IN DISCOVERY AND OTHER MATTERS INVOLVING THE LITIGATION. BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY WAY OF KNOWING THAT. THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE STATE TO DEFEND THE LAWSUIT.  

>>Lynn Gray: STAFF MEANING LEGAL STAFF.  

>>Jim Porter: NOT SO MUCH LEGAL STAFF. SUBSTANTIVE STAFF. JENNA WITH CHARTER SCHOOLS WOULD PROBABLY BE A KEY PLAYER IN THIS. TRACYE BROWN WOULD PROBABLY BE A KEY PLAYER. YOUR SUPERINTENDENT AND HIS TOP STAFF. NOT SO MUCH LEGAL STAFF. THE DISTRICTS HAVE HIRED A LAW FIRM OUT OF CHICAGO TO DO THE LITIGATION. I WOULDN'T ANTICIPATE BEING INVOLVED AT ALL, REALLY. IT WOULD BE MORE THE STAFF THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE RESPONSIVE TO ANY SORT OF DISCOVERY THAT THE STATE WISHED TO PURSUE.  

>>Lynn Gray: THANK YOU.  

>>Cindy Stuart: MS. SHAMBURGER.  

>>Tamara Shamburger: MR. PORTER, HOW LONG WOULD YOU ANTICIPATE THIS LITIGATION COULD EVEN TAKE CONSIDERING THAT IT WOULD GET APPEALED UP TO THE SUPREME COURT? ARE WE TALKING A YEAR BEFORE WE WOULD EVEN SEE ANYTHING?  

>>Jim Porter: AGAIN, HARD TO PREDICT. CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE WOULD BE TWO YEARS. BUT AGAIN, I'M SORT OF TALKING A LITTLE BIT IN THE DARK BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T -- THE LAWSUIT HASN'T BEEN FILED, BUT ANTICIPATING WORKING ITS WAY UP THROUGH THE APPEAL COURTS AND ALSO TO THE SUPREME COURT. I COULD BE COMPLETELY OFF ON THAT BUT THAT'S OUR ESTIMATION IN CONSULTATION WITH THE OTHER ATTORNEYS AND WITH MR. GIBSON, THAT SEEMS TO BE A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME TO RESOLVE ITSELF.  

>>Tamara Shamburger: STILL COME FEBRUARY 1st, 2018, WE HAVE TO IMPLEMENT, CORRECT?  

>>Jim Porter: YES.  

>>Tamara Shamburger: SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I'M KIND OF STUCK IN THE MIDDLE A LITTLE BIT. I UNDERSTAND THE MERITS OF JOINING. IT'S APPLES TO APPLES WHEN IT COMES TO THE ISSUES FACING ALL OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS. BUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OUR FINANCIAL HOUSE, WELL, NOW IT'S APPLES TO ORANGES, AND I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT OUR FINANCIAL ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO JOIN THIS LAWSUIT. YOU KNOW, WE'RE SITTING ON A BILLION DOLLARS JUST ABOUT IN MORTGAGE DEBT. PINELLAS DOESN'T HAVE THAT, SO MAYBE THEIR DECISION WAS A LITTLE BIT EASIER. WHEN WE THINK ABOUT US, ALTHOUGH WE WILL LEND OUR SUPPORT, I AM REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE FINANCIAL ASPECT OF IT. WE TALK ON SO MANY DIFFERENT ISSUES ABOUT MAKING DECISIONS TODAY WHEN WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS. AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS LAWSUIT IS GOING TO ENTAIL. WE DON'T KNOW HOW LONG AND HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST. OUR TEACHERS AND OUR STUDENTS REALLY MATTER HERE IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AS THEY DO EVERYWHERE. WE ARE IN A DIFFERENT FINANCIAL SITUATION THAN MOST. SO I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO KNOW POTENTIALLY HOW LONG COULD IT BE. 600 IS A VERY CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE. IT COULD BE 1.6 OR 2.6 MILLION AND WE WOULD BE COMMITTED, RIGHT?  

>>Jim Porter: WE WOULD BE COMMITTED, IF WE AGREED TO DO THIS, WE WOULD BE COMMITTED AT A PERCENTAGE PIECE BASED ON THE NUMBER OF DISTRICTS AND OUR POPULATION. THAT COULD CHANGE IF MORE DISTRICTS WERE INCLUDED. BUT THAT'S -- YOU HAVE TO ANTICIPATE THE WORST. AND AT THIS POINT, THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD BE.  

>>Tamara Shamburger: NOT TO SAY THAT WE WOULD EVER RIDE ON ANYONE'S COATTAILS, WHETHER IT'S ALL DISTRICT OR ONE DISTRICT, IF THEY PREVAIL, ALL STUDENTS IN THE DISTRICT WOULD BENEFIT FROM THAT.  

>>Jim Porter: CORRECT.  

>>Tamara Shamburger: -- FROM IT. MAYBE WE COULD CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, LEND OUR SUPPORT AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO WORKING WITH OUR DELEGATION AND REALLY LOBBYING VERY HARD, SPEAKING WITH OUR LEGISLATORS TO REALLY GET IT CHANGED. FINANCIALLY, I THINK IT KIND OF TIES ME A LITTLE BIT. I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT WHERE WE ARE FINANCIALLY IN THIS DISTRICT, IF WE COULD REALLY AFFORD TO TAKE ON UNCERTAIN DEBT AT THIS POINT.  

>>Cindy Stuart: THANK YOU, MS. SHAMBURGER. MS. GRIFFIN.  

>>April Griffin: WELL, MR. PORTER, I DO NOT THINK THAT OPTION 2 IS EVEN A CONSIDERATION. THAT WE HAVE. I DON'T HAVE FAITH. WE MOVE AT THE SPEED OF TRUST IN BUSINESS AND EDUCATION, AND ANY ORGANIZATION THAT YOU'RE IN. BUT, MS. SHAMBURGER, YOU TOOK SOME OF MY THOUGHTS IN YOUR QUESTIONING. WHATEVER DIRECTION THIS BOARD GOES, WITH THIS DECISION, THESE LAWSUITS ARE GOING TO TAKE A LONG TIME. AND WE ARE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO IMPLEMENT 7069 REGARDLESS. WHO HAS APPOINTED -- I'M REAL CURIOUS, WHO HAS APPOINTED THE JUDGES THAT WOULD HEAR THIS CASE WHEN IT ULTIMATELY WENT TO THE STATE?  

>>Jim Porter: IT WOULD BE FILED, I THINK IN LEON COUNTY, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE APPROPRIATE VENUE FOR THAT, AND IT WOULD BE ASSIGNED TO A JUDGE, JUST LIKE ANY LAWSUIT WOULD BE.  

>>April Griffin: DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA WHERE THOSE JUDGES CAME FROM?  

>>Jim Porter: I DON'T.  

>>April Griffin: WERE THEY ELECTED? WERE THEY APPOINTED?  

>>Jim Porter: THEY ARE CIRCUIT COURT JUDGES. THE INITIAL WOULD BE CIRCUIT COURT JUDGE. MOST WOULD HAVE BEEN ELECTED BUT SOME APPOINTED. BUT MOSTLY ELECTED.  

>>April Griffin: THAT'S WHAT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT, THOUGH, IS THE SUPPORT OF THOSE JUDGES, WHERE DID THAT SUPPORT COME FROM? HOW DID THEY GET INTO THAT POSITION? WE KNOW POLITICS 101. THERE ARE POLITICAL RAMIFICATIONS TO CONSIDER IN THIS, TOO. FRANKLY, ANYONE WHO KNOWS ME KNOWS THAT I DON'T MAKE DECISIONS BASED OFF THE POLITICAL WINDS THAT BLOW. IF I'M REELECTED, I'M REELECTED. THAT'S NOT PART OF MY DECISION. WHAT I'M THINKING ABOUT AS FAR AS POLITICAL RAMIFICATIONS ARE THE RAMIFICATIONS TO THE DISTRICT. WE KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN CONVERSATIONS WHERE SOME PEOPLE IN TALLAHASSEE, IN VERY IMPORTANT POSITIONS HAVE ASKED US, WELL, HAVE YOU JOINED THE LAWSUIT? THEY ARE WATCHING. THEY ARE REALLY, REALLY WATCHING. -- WHEN THEY FEEL THAT DISTRICTS HAVE WRONGED THEM. I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET ANYTHING CHANGED AS FAR AS THIS IS CONCERNED. I DON'T THINK THAT THE RELATIONSHIP IS THERE, BUT I DO THINK THAT THE RELATIONSHIP CAN BE -- I'M TRYING TO PHRASE THIS APPROPRIATELY. THERE'S NOT A RELATIONSHIP THERE ENOUGH TO REALLY IMPACT CHANGE WITH CONVERSATIONS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT WHEN I SAY YOUR NUMBER TWO OPTION I DON'T THINK IS A VIABLE ONE IN TALKING, AND TALKING TO THE LEGISLATORS AND HAVING THEM CHANGE ANYTHING ABOUT THIS. BUT I DO KNOW THAT THERE IS A CULTURE OF RETALIATION THAT TAKES PLACE, TOO. AND IN LOOKING AT THE LARGER PICTURE, I KNOW THAT FIGHTING CAN SOMETIMES MAKE US FEEL LIKE WE'RE DOING SOMETHING, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT FIGHTING IN THIS CASE, AND JOINING THE LAWSUIT IS WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE BEST THING. WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE FINANCES THAT WE ARE FACING IN THIS DISTRICT RIGHT NOW, I THINK WE'RE IN A DIFFERENT PLACE, AND I LOVED YOUR APPLES TO APPLES AND APPLES TO ORANGES COMPARISON BECAUSE FROM AN EDUCATIONAL PERSPECTIVE, YES, IT IS APPLES TO APPLES. BUT FINANCIALLY, IT'S APPLES TO BANANAS. I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT MOVING FORWARD WITH A LAWSUIT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT AT THIS POINT.  

>>Cindy Stuart: THANK YOU, MS. GRIFFIN. MS. GRAY.  

>>Lynn Gray: YES, I THINK -- WELL, CLEARLY, IT'S A VERY HARD DECISION. OF COURSE, LAWSUITS DO TAKE FIVE TO TEN, PERHAPS TEN YEARS, AND IN THE MEASURE OF THE FORMER SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE, TERRELL SESSUMS, HE IS REMINDING US ALL THAT WHILE THE LAWSUIT IS NOT INSTANTLY RESOLVED AND WHILE IT MAY BE COSTLY, THE ACTUAL FACTUAL RESULTS FROM THE LAST ONE, THIS WAS WITH 44 FLORIDA DISTRICTS, WAS 4-3, WHICH SHOULD SHOW YOU OR TELL US ALL THAT IT WAS FAIRLY CLOSE, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, HE SAID THE MESSAGE IS THAT THE LEGISLATURE SAW HOW MUCH WE CARE AND WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE KIDS, AND THEY DID MAKE THOSE CHANGES THAT WOULD, IN OTHER WORDS, MAKE THE 7069, IN THIS CASE. DID MAKE CHANGES TO THE BUDGET THAT WAS COMMISERATE AND REALISTIC FOR THE CHILDREN. I OFTEN WONDER HOW MANY OF US REALLY KNOW -- AND I THINK WE ALL REALIZE -- THAT FLORIDA LEGISLATIVE PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW THE INTRICACIES AND NUANCES OF PUBLIC EDUCATION. IN FACT, THEY ARE USUALLY NOT TEACHERS. THEY ARE NOT EDUCATORS. THEY ARE NOT COMING TO SCHOOL BOARD MEETINGS. THEY ARE NOT BEING PARENTS OF CHILDREN FROM PUBLIC SCHOOLS. MANY OF THEM ARE NOT PRESENTLY. MANY OF THEM ARE CHARTER SCHOOL. I'M VERY AWARE THAT OUR CHILDREN, AND WE ARE -- WE ARE VERY AWARE THAT WE HAVE A CALL FOR DEMOGRAPHICS THAT NEED MORE SUPPORT, AND THEY NEED ATTENTION. AND I THINK THAT THE TIME IS NOW. THERE IS A SENSE OF URGENCY IN OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT, EVERY -- PHYSICALLY AND FOR OUR CHILDREN MENTALLY, ACADEMICALLY. IF WE DON'T DO IT, I THINK TWO, THREE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, THINGS WILL COME TO A POINT WHERE REFERENDUM WILL HAVE TO BE SAID TO FIX IT, IF NOT BEFORE. AND THAT'S WHERE -- I THINK WE JUST NEED TO TAKE A STAND. IF WE NEVER TAKE A STAND AND CONTINUE TO LET A LEGISLATIVE BRANCH SUCH AS WE HAVE TODAY CONTINUE TO IN OUR FACE DISMANTLE NOT ONLY THE STRUCTURE AND INFRASTRUCTURE OF PUBLIC EDUCATION, BUT BLATANTLY, THEY ARE DOING MEASURES THAT ARE ILLEGAL AND HOW DARE THEM. I'M SITTING HERE, AND THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE OUTVOTED, BUT I'M SITTING HERE ALSO TO REPRESENT MY CONSTITUENTS AND THEIR RATIONALE. AND I FEEL COMFORTABLE. I AM UPSET ABOUT NOT KNOWING ABOUT THE MONEY. I THOUGHT IF WE HAD THIS PARTICULAR MEETING THAT, OF COURSE, WE WOULD BE PREPARED TO ACTUALLY FISCALLY HAVE OWNER OWNERSHIP. SO THAT IS A HUGE GAP, IF I WERE IN A DEBATE TEAM AND I HEARD MYSELF AND THEN HEAR THAT, OH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY TO PAY FOR IT, I WOULDN'T EVEN JOIN THAT PARTICULAR DEBATE. SO THAT'S A LITTLE FRUSTRATING TO HEAR ON MY END. JUST SAYING. BUT I STILL KEEP -- I'M STILL STAYING WITH MY POSITION. THANK YOU.  

>>Cindy Stuart: THANK YOU, MS. GRAY. MS. GRIFFIN.  

>>April Griffin: THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I WAS CHECKING OFF MY POINTS AND I FORGOT TO MAKE ONE. ONE OF THE OTHER REASONS FOR MY RATIONALE, BECAUSE WE'RE IN A TIME OF DWINDLING RESOURCES, BOTH FINANCIALLY IN OUR STAFF'S ABILITY TO ACCOMPLISH THE TASKS THAT WE GIVE THEM, THAT THEY NEED TO ACCOMPLISH BECAUSE WE'RE STARTING TO DOWNSIZE A BIT. WE ARE LOOKING AND HAVING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT A REFERENDUM IN THIS COMMUNITY, AND WHAT IS THAT GOING TO COST US IN RESOURCES AND TIME AND EFFORT AND ENERGY AND MONEY? TO ASK THE VOTERS OF THIS COMMUNITY TO SUPPORT THIS DISTRICT FOR OUR MAINTENANCE OF THESE BUILDINGS THAT KEPT THEM SAFE DURING A HURRICANE AND HOUSED THEIR CHILDREN AND THE AIR CONDITIONING UNITS AND ALL OF THAT. I KNOW I WILL BE TALKING TO LEGISLATORS AND I'M ALREADY HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH LOBBYISTS NOW ABOUT INSTEAD OF PUNISHING CHARTER SCHOOLS THE WAY THAT I HEARD AFTER THE HURRICANES THAT THEY WERE GOING TO START PUTTING -- ON CHARTER SCHOOLS FROM THIS POINT FORWARD BUT NOT CHARTER SCHOOLS ALREADY PUT IN PLACE, GIVE US SOME FLEXIBILITY ON SREF SO WE DON'T HAVE TO SPEND $15 MILLION ON AN AIR CONDITIONING UNIT AT A HIGH SCHOOL BRINGING EVERYTHING UP TO CODE. WE HAVE OUR FACILITIES ALREADY IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT ARE SREF, THAT ARE SAFE FOR HURRICANE SITUATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE RIGHT NOW. GIVE US SOME FLEXIBILITY RIGHT NOW. IT'S A WIN-WIN FOR OUR LEGISLATURE, BUT AS FAR AS OUR RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE DWINDLING RESOURCES IN FINANCES, IN HUMAN CAPITAL AND TIME AND ENERGY. AND I THINK THAT I'M MOVING TO A PLACE WHERE I SEE THAT THIS DISTRICT HAS DONE SO MUCH TO START TO EARN THE TRUST BACK. WE'RE NOT THERE YET AND I WILL SAY THAT. WE'RE NOT THERE YET. THERE'S STILL SO MUCH MORE WE NEED TO DO AND WE NEED TO DO IT IN A VERY SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME TO LET THIS COMMUNITY KNOW THAT WE HAVE GOTTEN OUR FINANCIAL HOUSE IN ORDER SO THAT WE CAN ASK THEM FOR MORE MONEY IN GOING TO A REFERENDUM. THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF TIME AND A LOT OF ENERGY. I REMEMBER WHAT THE LAST TWO REFERENDUMS THAT WERE BROUGHT FORWARD. ONE FAILED, ONE WAS SUCCESSFUL. I REMEMBER THE ENERGY THAT WENT INTO THOSE. AND THIS DISTRICT PLAYED A LARGE PART IN THAT BACK THEN, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PLAY A LARGE PART IN IT IN THE COMING MONTHS, HOPEFULLY. SIX MONTHS I WOULD SAY THAT WE BETTER START THINKING ABOUT DOING THIS AND HAVING THIS CONVERSATION IF WE'RE GOING TO GET IT OUT THERE TO THE VOTERS. THAT WAS ANOTHER PART OF MY RATIONALE IS THAT WE JUST -- THERE'S TOO MANY IRONS IN THE FIRE RIGHT NOW TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH AND THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG ONES.  

>>Cindy Stuart: THANK YOU, MS. GRIFFIN. MS. SHAMBURGER.  

>>Tamara Shamburger: THANK YOU SO MUCH. I AGREE WITH YOU, MS. GRIFFIN. I THINK PRIORITY, WE HAVE TO MAKE PRIORITIES ABOUT OUR DISTRICT. I JUST WANT TO QUICKLY CLARIFY A COMMENT THAT I MADE JUST SO THERE'S NO CONFUSION ABOUT IT WHEN I TALK ABOUT US NOT RIDING THE COATTAILS OF ANYONE ELSE. WE HERE IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, WE HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT ARE RIGHT AND PROPER FOR US, BASED ON OUR INDIVIDUAL AND UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT ON THE SAME HAND OR THE SAME TOKEN, I DON'T WANT US TO SIT BACK AND JUST LET EVERYONE ELSE TAKE THE FIGHT AND WE BENEFIT AND WE NOT DO ANYTHING. THAT'S WHAT I MEANT BY THAT COMMENT. I UNDERSTAND THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME CONFUSION IN THE AUDIENCE ABOUT THAT. BUT OUR DECISIONS HAVE TO BE VERY THOUGHTFUL ABOUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO HERE. AND WE CERTAINLY WILL SUPPORT, IF WE JOIN OR DON'T JOIN, I THINK WE CERTAINLY WILL SUPPORT ALL OF THE OTHER DISTRICTS. THANK YOU SO MUCH.  

>>Cindy Stuart: THANK YOU, MS. SHAMBURGER. I'VE KIND OF WAITED TO GO TOWARD THE END HERE FOR VERY SPECIFIC REASONS, AND I'M VERY TORN. I SEE BOTH SIDES OF THIS ARGUMENT. I SEE THE ARGUMENT THAT POLITICAL RAMIFICATIONS, REALLY, WHAT'S LEFT? WHAT IS LEFT FOR THEM TO DO TO US OTHER THAN TAKE US OUT AS A BOARD, WHICH THAT'S ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK, TOO. I'M NOT SURE WHAT IS LEFT. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT POLITICAL RAMIFICATIONS. THIS HAS BECOME VERY POLITICAL, AND THAT IS MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS IT HAS BECOME A POLITICAL PING-PONG BALL HERE. WHO IS GOING TO JOIN? WHO IS NOT GOING TO JOIN? THERE HAVE BEEN COMMENTS FROM CURRENT LEGISLATURES. HAVE YOU JOINED? HAVE YOU NOT JOINED? WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE GA GOING TALK TO US OR NOT. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT OUR THOUGHT PROCESS AND ABILITY TO THINK THAT WE COULD HAVE BETTER, GREATER, MORE IMPACT ON OUR LEGISLATURES. I THINK WE ARE ARMED PRETTY WELL BY THIS STAFF. I'M CONCERNED THAT WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION WITH LEGISLATORS. SO THAT BRINGS ME TO A PLACE OF WHY NOT. ON THE OTHER HAND, WHY NOT? YOU HEARD THE TITLE I SITUATION THIS MORNING. THE ASSESSMENT PIECE REALLY CAUGHT ME OFF GUARD, TOO, BECAUSE I THINK I WAS AWARE OF TITLE ONE, BUT THE ASSESSMENT PIECE IS REALLY FOR ME DRIVING HOME SOME SERIOUS SITUATIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IN THE DISTRICT IN TRYING TO IMPLEMENT. TWO YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, THOUGH, WE WILL BE WELL PAST WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW. IN FACT, WE COULD BE IN BETTER SHAPE OR WORSE SHAPE THAN WE ARE RIGHT NOW BASED ON CHANGES THAT COULD COME THROUGH THE NEXT LEGISLATIVE PROCESS. SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT JOINING A LAWSUIT THAT TWO YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, WE'RE FIGHTING SOMETHING THAT IS NO LONGER OR THAT WE'RE FIGHTING SOMETHING WITH DOLLARS. I AGREE WITH MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS WE DON'T HAVE THE DOLLARS TO SPEND ON. WE DIDN'T KNOW, MS. GRAY. WE WOULD HAVE LOOKED FOR THE MONEY AFTER WE MADE THE DECISION ON WHETHER OR NOT TO JOIN AND YES, THAT IS A FACTOR, BUT WE NEEDED TO HAVE THIS PUBLIC CONVERSATION REGARDLESS. IT IS A FACTOR. THIS DISTRICT, UNLIKE MANY OTHER DISTRICTS IN THE STATE, WE'RE IN A VERY DIFFERENT SITUATION. I HAVE ALSO HEARD -- MR. PORTER, YOU TALKED ABOUT 12%. MY GUESS IS THAT OUR PORTION IS GOING TO BE MUCH GREATER THAN MOST DISTRICTS AROUND THE STATE. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT HAMILTON COUNTY OR CLAY COUNTY OR EVEN SOME OF THE SMALLER COUNTIES. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LARGE PORTION OF THIS LAWSUIT IN OUR POCKET. A LARGE PORTION. AND I THINK THAT THAT IS NOT A NUMBER THAT WE CAN -- AND DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER THAT JOIN OR THAT DON'T JOIN, THAT'S GOING TO INDICATE REALLY KIND OF HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. I'M CONCERNED THE LAWSUIT HASN'T BEEN FILED YET. IT'S ALMOST OCTOBER. SESSION STARTS IN JANUARY. THAT'S CONCERNING. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE NUMBER OF DISTRICTS WHO HAVE NOT JOINED AND WHO HAVE THE FUNDING TO DO SO AND HAVE NOT. THEY HAVE NOT EVEN HAD THIS CONVERSATION. AND IF THEY ARE HAVING THE CONVERSATION, IT'S NOT A PUBLIC CONVERSATION. SO TO ONLY HAVE 14 DISTRICTS OF 67, THREE OF THE LARGEST EVEN HAVING CONVERSATIONS, IS CONCERNING TO ME. HOWEVER, I DO APPLAUD AND RESPECT ORANGE COUNTY FOR THE WAY THAT THEY ARE APPROACHING THIS, WHICH IS THEY ARE APPROACHING THIS IN A MANNER -- AND WE DID NOT DISCUSS THIS, THEY AGREED TO JOIN THE LAWSUIT. HOWEVER, IN JOINING THE LAWSUIT, THEY HAVE MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THEY WILL BOW OUT OF THE LAWSUIT IF THERE IS CONVERSATION ABOUT REMEDYING THE LEGISLATION AND THEY ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO BE PART OF THE CONVERSATIONS THROUGH COMMITTEE WORK AND INDEPENDENT CONVERSATIONS WITH LEGISLATORS. THAT'S A VERY DIFFERENT APPROACH THAN SOME OF THE OTHER DISTRICTS WE'VE SEEN. I THINK THAT THIS DISTRICT IS MORE THAN WILLING TO BE PART OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS, AND I'M SURE THAT THE SUPERINTENDENT, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER WE JOIN OR NOT, WILL PUT HIS STAFF IN A POSITION TO BE PART OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS. I WOULD IMPLORE HIM TO DO SO BECAUSE WHETHER WE JOIN OR NOT, THIS LEGISLATION HAS TO BE CORRECTED, AND I THINK WE WILL ALL BE LOBBYING HARD FOR THAT THIS COMING -- AGAIN, THE TITLE I SITUATION IS REALLY DAUNTING AS WELL AS THE ASSESSMENT PIECES. THE SCHOOLS OF HOPE PIECE, AGAIN, I'M LOOKING FOR THAT FINANCIAL IMPACT. THE OVERALL FINANCIAL IMPACT. BUT I THINK I'M ALREADY OUTNUMBERED ON WHETHER WE JOIN OR NOT. I THINK THE DECISION IS ALREADY THERE THAT I HAVE BOARD MEMBERS. THERE'S NOT CONSENSUS RIGHT NOW, IF I CAN SPEAK FOR THE BOARD, THERE'S NOT CONSENSUS TO JOIN THIS LAWSUIT FOR THE MANY REASONS THAT HAVE BEEN STATED. I KNOW THAT THAT IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO MAKE SOME OF OUR CONSTITUENCY AND SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO FIGHT THIS EVERY DAY IN TALLAHASSEE HAPPY, BUT I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF PRIORITIES THAT WE HAVE TO FOCUS ON IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE HAVE PUT IN FRONT OF OUR SUPERINTENDENT HAVE BEEN PLACED AT OUR FEET THAT WE HAVE TO WORK ON, BOTH FINANCIAL AND PHYSICAL. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A REFERENDUM UP HERE AND THE ENERGY THAT IT WOULD POTENTIALLY TAKE FOR US TO GO AFTER ADDITIONAL DOLLARS AND YET THEN WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT FIGHTING THE STATE. SO THAT'S A LOT TO PUT ON AN ALREADY STRESSED DISTRICT. SO, BOARD MEMBERS, AT THAT, I THINK IF THERE ARE NO OTHER COMMENTS, MS. GRAY YOU HAVE A COMMENT. I'M NOT GOING TO ASK THE SUPERINTENDENT TO MOVE FORWARD ON ANYTHING AT THIS TIME. I THINK THAT HE'S HEARD OUR OPINIONS AND HEARD WHAT WE THINK ABOUT WHERE WE'RE GOING. I DON'T ANTICIPATE THIS WILL BE THE END OF ANY CONVERSATION ABOUT THE IMPLEMENTATION BECAUSE THAT IS ONGOING, AND I THINK WE STILL NEED TO BE ABREAST OF WHAT IS COMING FORWARD AND HOW IT'S IMPACTING US. I ALSO EXPECT THAT WE WILL CONTINUE TO GET INFORMATION SO THAT AS WE SIT WITH LEGISLATURES, WE CONTINUE TO ARM THEM AND EDUCATE THEM ABOUT HOW THIS IS IMPACTING. IT IS IMPACTING DISTRICTS DIFFERENTLY. VERY DIFFERENTLY. THERE ARE PORTIONS OF THIS BILL THAT DO NOT IMPACT THIS DISTRICT AS GREATLY AS THEY DO OTHER DISTRICTS. SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT SOME OF THAT. MS. GRAY, I'LL LET YOU MAKE YOUR COMMENT AND THEN WE'LL CLOSE.  

>>Lynn Gray: YES. AND WE ARE REMINDED THAT THE FIVE MAJOR COUNTIES HAVE JOINED BROWARD, DUVAL, ORANGE, MIAMI-DADE AND PINELLAS HAVE JOINED THIS PARTICULAR LAWSUIT. BUT I THINK WE MIGHT BE AND PERHAPS I'M TO BLAME, PUTTING IT IN A BLACK-AND-WHITE SITUATION. WHEN, IN FACT, A LAWSUIT SUCH AS THIS DOES NOT HAVE TO BE, YES, WE'RE GOING TO DO IT OR NO. IT CAN ACTUALLY BE, AS I THINK WE SHARED WITH SUPERINTENDENT EAKINS, THAT THERE CAN BE AN OLIVE BRANCH. SO SAY THERE'S SOME CONCESSIONS AS OF -- AS WAS MENTIONED, I KNOW PINELLAS, BEFORE THE LAWSUIT, THEY SAID THEY WOULD PULL OUT IF CERTAIN CONCESSIONS WERE MADE. THAT IS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF THINKING. THAT'S CALLED, HOW DO YOU WANT TO SAY, COMPROMISING. I THINK THAT'S THE TYPE OF LAWSUIT THAT SOME OF YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND, MYSELF INCLUDED. IT'S NOT JUST, OH, WE'RE PUTTING OUR LAWSUIT IN AND THAT'S THE END. YOU STILL HAVE POLITICAL CONVERSATIONS. LAST NIGHT, I WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF POLITICAL CONVERSATIONS. CONNIE MILITO SPENT HER WHOLE LIFE WITH POLITICAL CONVERSATIONS. IT'S NOT THAT WE HAVE NOT BEEN TALKING TO OUR LEGISLATORS -- LEGISLATIVE FOLKS ALL THE WHILE ABOUT THE SITUATION. WE HAVE BEEN HAVING, I THINK, VERY GOOD RELATIONSHIPS. WE WENT TO HILLSBOROUGH TODAY. WE DISCUSSED OUR BUDGETING, OUR MATTERS OF GREAT CONCERN, AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT. SO THE LAWSUIT, IT'S ONLY, TO ME, IT'S A MESSAGE. IT'S A MESSAGE THAT WE TAKE OUR KIDS, THEIR WELFARE, WE TAKE EDUCATION SERIOUSLY, AND, BY THE WAY, YOU NEED TO KEEP THINGS LEGAL AND ETHICAL BEFORE OUR ENTIRE CONSTITUENCY. AND WE DON'T HAVE -- IT'S NOT AN ALL OR NOTHING. CAN HAVE ADDED VERBIAGE TO THIS PARTICULAR LAWSUIT. I THINK MAYBE, SUPERINTENDENT EAKINS, YOU SHARED WITH ME THAT -- I THINK IT WAS PINELLAS, HOW THAT WAS HANDLED WITH MIKE GREGO. CAN YOU SHARE, PERHAPS? JUST EXPAND?  

>>Jeffrey Eakins: I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT MS. STUART HAD MENTIONED ABOUT ORANGE COUNTY, THAT THEY HAD IDENTIFIED CERTAIN ASPECTS THAT IN PINELLAS COUNTY THAT THEY WERE -- THAT THEY FELT LIKE IF THESE CERTAIN ISSUES COULD BE CORRECTED OR THEY COULD WORK WITH THEIR DELEGATION TO CORRECT THESE ISSUES, THAT THEY FELT LIKE THEY WOULD NOT WANT TO CONTINUE ON WITH THE LAWSUIT. THERE WERE SPECIFIC ISSUES IN PINELLAS COUNTY THAT STOOD OUGHT TO THEM MORE THAN -- OUT TO THEM MORE THAN OTHERS.  

>>Lynn Gray: I THINK AS WE ARE HEARING THE ARTICULATION, WE DO HAVE CERTAIN ISSUES THAT ARE STANDING OUT MORE THAN OTHERS. IN A NUTSHELL, I THINK THAT PERHAPS OUR VISION NEEDS TO CHANGE A LITTLE BIT OR VISUAL, EXCUSE ME. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THAT OR NOTHING, BUT PERHAPS CERTAIN PARTS CAN STILL BE CONCEDED ON THEIR PART. WE CAN STILL RECOGNIZE AND HAVE OPEN CONVERSATIONS WITH THE DELEGATION, AND WE HAVE JASON PEPE, KRISTEN, CONNIE MILITO WHO ARE VERY, VERY UPDATED AND ABLE TO DO THAT ALONG WITH OUR SUPERINTENDENT. SO THAT, MS. SHAMBURGER AND THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE ON THE FENCE, MIGHT BE ANOTHER WAY OF THINKING OF IT, NOT JUST ALL OR NOTHING, BUT PERHAPS WITH SOME CONCESSIONARY OLIVE BRANCH. AND THAT WILL CONCLUDE MY POSITION.  

>>Cindy Stuart: THANK YOU, MS. GRAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. UNFORTUNATELY, WE ARE OUTVOTED HERE. I THINK THE MAJORITY HAS SPOKEN. I WOULD ASK THAT THE LEGISLATURE CONTINUE TO REVIEW AND POTENTIALLY RETRACT SOME OF THE PROVISIONS IN THIS BILL IN HEARING WHAT HAS BEEN SAID BY NOT JUST THIS BOARD, BUT BY THE BOARDS AROUND THE STATE. WITH THAT, BOARD MEMBERS, IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, WE'RE ADJOURNED. [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]